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Interview
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Marco Sassoli
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In the Hague and in Arusha, Tanzania,
ad hoc international war crimes tribunals are investigating
atrocities committed in the former Yugoslavia and in Rwanda.
What do these trials mean for the Red Cross and Red Crescent
Movement?
Marco Sassoli of the ICRC explains. |
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What is the purpose of international war crimes tribunals?
The prosecution of war criminals by an international court
underlines the fact that certain things are prohibited —
even in war. Without retribution, no law can be effective;
prospective war criminals may think twice before committing
an act if they fear that they may one day be prosecuted. Also,
establishing individual guilt may help to diminish the notion
of collective responsibility which fosters long-lasting enmities
between groups.
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Why are there only tribunals for the former Yugoslavia
and Rwanda?
The concept of an international court for prosecuting war
criminals dates back to the Nuremberg and Tokyo trials after
the Second World War. Similar trials did not take place during
the Cold War essentially because there was not agreement among
the superpowers. With the end of the Cold War, the possibility
of tribunals became real and, in the case of former Yugoslavia,
was prompted by the atrocious and highly publicised crimes.
This is not to say that equally horrific acts were not also
committed in other places — Angola, Liberia, Colombia,
Cambodia, Sri Lanka, to name a few — but in the case
of the former Yugoslavia, the pressure of public opinion fuelled
by media reports of atrocities led to calls for an ad hoc
tribunal. Following the genocide in Rwanda in 1994, States
felt morally obliged to set up another tribunal.
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How effective can the ad hoc tribunals be?
Obviously, the tribunals can only touch the tip of the iceberg.
In the former Yugoslavia, the tribunal was only able to begin
indicting war criminals four years after the start of hostilities.
In Rwanda more than 500,000 people were killed. At best, the
tribunal will be able to try about 200 or 300 of the main
perpetrators.
Still, the tribunals have had a very beneficial effect on
the credibility of international humanitarian law —
particularly in the eyes of the public. For the first time
in 50 years, people have been charged with violations by international
bodies and there are even warrants out for the arrest of some
leaders. That’s important.
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Can
the ICRC testify at these trials?
No, except by providing information that has already been
made public. ICRC delegates do have information that would
be useful to convict war criminals but, when an ICRC delegate
witnesses a violation of international humanitarian law, his
or her first concern is not to identify the person responsible;
it is to help the victims and notify the authorities in an
effort to improve the situation.
The ICRC has to be present in the field to help those who
suffer. It has to have access to those people and be able
to negotiate with the authorities on their behalf. No belligerent
is going to give the ICRC access and meet its representatives
at the negotiating table, if they fear that one day ICRC delegates
might be witnesses for the prosecution, providing information
collected on the basis of confidentiality. |
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Are the Federation and National Societies equally
unable to testify?
If members of National Societies or Federation delegates
gave evidence at these trials, their testimony could easily
endanger their and our activities as well. Their participation
in trials of this kind may well arouse suspicion and hostility
towards the Movement as a whole.
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Does the ICRC support the idea of a permanent war
crimes tribunal?
The ICRC is fully in favour. If international humanitarian
law were correctly applied, war crimes would be systematically
repressed by national tribunals. Unfortunately, many States
do not have the necessary legislation, so a permanent international
body is required.
Cynics will say that the ad hoc tribunals were only possible
because the Permanent Members of the UN Security Council were
sure that their own nationals would never come before them.
But there is a debate going on within the UN General Assembly
with a view to setting up a permanent tribunal that is not
dependent on the decisions of the Security Council and the
outcome of the debate will prove whether or not the ad hoc
tribunals were just a flash in the pan. We certainly hope
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